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Does anyone else have plans to help reveal the truth behind the watered-down-safe-Hollywood version of this story? Go to aforanarchy.com. Don't let them infiltrate and dilute the truth like they did with the word "anarchy". If this movie rakes in the $$ without anyone realizing what it originated from then we have lost a major opportunity.
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Re: V for Vendetta
Fri, March 17, 2006 - 10:08 AMplease elaborate and inform me on what youre talking about, Jason. Im in high antcipation of the movie, but dont know any back ground to the story. -
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Re: V for Vendetta
Fri, March 17, 2006 - 10:17 AMThe graphic novel of 'V' was written during Thatcher's evil reign and was a warning against the excesses of her Presidential leadership, the move to further right-wing thinking and the rise of the BNP at the time. (All things which are somewhat occurring again now). It also had a very strong Anarchistic message and is favoured somewhat in Anarchist circles as an accessable expression of a deal of the Anarchistic ethic and philosophy.
"All this riot and uproar, V... is this anarchy? Is this the Land of Do-As-You-Please?"
"No. This is only the land of Take-What-You-Want. Anarchy means "without leaders"; not "without order." With anarchy comes an age of ordnung, of true order, which is to say voluntary order. This age of ordnung will begin when the mad and incoherant cycle of verwirrung that these bulletins reveal has run its course. This is not anarchy, Eve. This is chaos."
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I'm seeing it Sunday and am very familiar with the original story, it may be watered down but it is still causing a bit of a stir, so we'll see I guess. -
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Re: V for Vendetta
Fri, March 17, 2006 - 12:48 PMI also will see the film. It is a great opportunity, in my opinion, to initiate discussion about Anarchism with people who will see the film for it's "action-adventure" fodder and would otherwise not give Anarchism a second thought. I'm just anticipating distortion surrounding the ideas of an Anarchist hero. Time magazine already asked the headline question "can a movie be successful when the hero is a terrorist." Already the propaganda has begun to assume that the character is a "terrorist" and then, in hindsight, if people learn the original concept came from Anarchism the mold is already set up - ie: "oh...he's an anarchist. And everyone knows anarchy means terrorism." (And back to square one.) Maybe I'm being a tad cynical. There IS a grand opportunity for true information to surface. I look forward to the results.
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Re: V for Vendetta
Fri, March 17, 2006 - 12:50 PMI think I'll order the novel and have a look.
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Re: V for Vendetta
Fri, March 17, 2006 - 12:51 PMThey've apparently toned down his Anarchist rhetoric and emphasised the Freedom Forever! thing. There are notes about final script here: www.shadowgalaxy.net/Vendett...ies.html
There is a website dedicated to spotlighting the differences. They have flyers and some sticker templetes: www.aforanarchy.org/
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Re: V for Vendetta
Mon, March 20, 2006 - 8:00 AMi heard that the author boycotted this film and does not endorse it at all. i went to see it. its very hollywood, which is to be expected. it would have been cool if an indie filmmaker were to made it -
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Re: V for Vendetta
Mon, March 20, 2006 - 3:00 PMwent and saw it yesterday - yeah, there's only one anarchy line really - a guy is robbing a store and yells "Anarchy in the UK!" as he fires his gun and runs out the door.
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Re: V for Vendetta
Mon, March 20, 2006 - 3:25 PMV also paraphrases Emma Goldman, about not wanting to be part of a revolution he can dance in. Otherwise, the anarchist politics of the novel have been gutted. It's good on negative politics however, with references to rendition, torture, surveillance, governments killing there own citizens to justify crackdowns (9/11), and the hypocrisy of tv pundits. -
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Mon, March 20, 2006 - 3:26 PMThat should read Can't dance in, not can. -
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Wed, March 29, 2006 - 1:15 PMI just saw the movie the other night and really liked it. I think, even though the Anarchist references were obscured, there were sufficient questions raised as to the legitimacy of current modes of political control. Also, there were a fair number of people there at such a late showing (10:20 pm) and they gave significant reactions at significant points in the film. I think it will either peak curiosity and people will investigate the philosophy for themselves, or people will say "wow, cool action movie!", or they'll hate it. The New Yorker and Time/Newsweek already have come out hating it. No surprise. Even though the label "Anarchism" wasn't there, the philosophy was intact enough to really cause some genuine shake-up. Expect the negative propaganda to pick up soon. We should all engage in a dialogue with people who have seen the film, or might see it, on the nature of Anarchism so as to dispell any disimformation or hype the establishment may offer. -
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Thu, March 30, 2006 - 1:39 PMI loved it. I think everybody should go see it. Really Powerful. -
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Re: V for Vendetta
Fri, March 31, 2006 - 10:12 AMI'll show you something powerful.
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Re: V for Vendetta
Fri, March 31, 2006 - 10:12 AMI finally got to see it. Yes, the usage of the word Anarchy was blured out. Ironically the only time you hear the words Anarchy is when some thug, robbing a convenience store, yells out "Anarchy in the UK" as he runs. Pretty funny actually.
But the message was there, subtle, but totally there. There were references to the destruction of symbols & property. The spirit of anarchy was absolutely there. I'm also pretty confident that the Wachovski brothers understand Anarchy, maybe not completely, but somewhat subscribe to it.
V never gave anybody the solution, but Anarchy as a solution is so abstract it would take more than a movie to explain it, so I think it was wise they left it open and vague. But anyone with some intelligence will or would be able to figure it out.
Part of Anarchy is to let people decide what to do with their future. I try to explain this to people all the time, usually I fail. Anarchy is action. Anarchy is what defeated the British during the American Revolution. Anarchy is what causes people to take over the streets and overthrow their government.
A directors cut would be awesome. But I think it's up to us, as a people, to make sure the message gets passed along. Make flyers, make sketches [ny.metro.us/metro/local/...hy/1828.html] anything. The movie was just a taste. adn I think it's a easy to bite taste for the general public.
We can't rely on two brothers, we're silly to even think so, to change the world with one (or some if you include Matrix) movie(s). -
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Sat, April 1, 2006 - 12:32 AMI wanted to sneak into the cinema as I thought it apropriate but my older brother was treating so I went in through the front door this time. I think I would see it again for free or wait for the DVD. I loved V's banter alot but wanted to press rewind to catch it again. I think the lead woman was alittle too forgiving as to his 'torture to save her' shit! Come on now.Was she then a Patty Hearst?Woman are still shown to be subordinate and weak next to the bravado of an inspired man? Women will probably be the revolution of change that we need. I didn't find beleivable(or it was weak)when the military decided not to shoot cause there were too many in masks.And then they all pulled of their masks in unison.it was like a coke comercial,..."I 'd like to teach the world to sing ....".I'm surprised that we can have movies with such content though and I'm glad I saw it.I'm glad I didn't know V was the actor whom was 'Agent Smith' from Matrix as it'd be hard to seperate, like Yoda being 'Miss Piggy's' voice(Frank Oz). -
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Re: V for Vendetta
Sat, April 1, 2006 - 10:59 PMyah. first off, i didn't like the fact that there was just one V-hero, god-like, who the whole "revolution" rested upon. i've had my fill of heroes. no gods, no masters, or whatever catchy slogan you want to use. there was some good symbolism in the film, i guess. as mentioned below, some of the best parts of the film are V's comments and remarks (quoting shakespeare, etc.) to Evie. but all the slow-mo blood and guts, the inspectors, etc. really detracted from what i saw to be the core ideas of the film. now i want to check out the original work...
peace,
spirit inc.
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