2012: An Anarchist's Dream

topic posted Fri, December 15, 2006 - 6:56 PM by  Tigress
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In the not-so-distant past there existed a great civilization on the Yucatan Penninsula of North America. This great tribe, who called themselves the Maya, were among the most advanced group of peoples in the Ancient World. Their architecture and intellectual achievements are still among society today. No tribe since has ever been more obsessed or accurate about keeping track of the passage of days into nights, called time. The Mayan calendar remains to this day, despite so-called "modern technology, the most precise measure of existence for the Human Being. And its about to come to an end.

Depending on who you talk to, the calendar ends anywhere from 2007 to Winter Solstice 2012. Many have postulated that the calendar is more like a countdown. But a countdown to what? The end of the world? The dawning of a new consciousness? The birth of a massive, powerful new paradigm? Who knows.....

Humanity has never been so unbalanced with Mother Gaia in recorded history. Recent events - tsunamis, hurricanes, earthquakes, global warming - which have always been seen by humanity since the dawn of our existence to be signs from the Divine - give me hope and reason to believe that Gaia is in the process of reclaiming herself from the viral spread of humanity. Its not hard to see how the systems of government and control have failed. Its time for Gaia's children to return back to balance. Its time for the next step. Time to evolve.

This balance will be restored by the anarchistic society the will emerge from the destruction and chaos left in the wake of Mother's Gaia's Reclamation. Humans will return to their true, tribal natures. Each individual will be ultimately responsible for their own well-being. There will be no government handouts. No money. No credit cards. True value will be restored. A knife, rope and salt will be the truly most valuable things to own.

It is my dream that a true utopia under anarchy will be realized in my lifetime. It is my dream that this new consciousness will reflect the individual's personal responsibility to participate in his/her own survival and self-government - which the earliest humans showed can only happen through cooperation of the group, everyone participating in the choices which directly affect them. True freedom and the responsibilites that come with it will be realized.

For nothing will straighten out the bullshit of this fucked-up society like returning back to the wilderness. Back to anarchy and balance. From whence we came.

I truly believe (though I'm not Christian) that the meek will inherit this earth.

In Anarchy I Trust!!
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Tigress
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    Re: 2012: An Anarchist's Dream

    Sun, December 17, 2006 - 5:34 PM
    The tyrannical Mayas foretold of a coming anarchist utopia? That would seem ironic.
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      Mon, December 18, 2006 - 10:20 AM
      I'm not saying the Maya foretold of an anarchist utopia. I'm saying they foretold of the end of the world as we currently know it, which I hope will bring about the birth of an anarchist society, not utopia.
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        Wed, December 20, 2006 - 11:05 AM
        Overall, I enjoyed your post immensely. I'm just recently delving into the logistics of the Mayan religion, so I'm a novice. Nonetheless its seems common sense to me because the rapidity of all the natural disasters within the past 5years that Mother Gaia is wanting to spit out our species. I mean we have always had these disasters spaced out consecutively through out the ages, however now it seems like these contractions are starting to meld together. Those who survive will have no choice of action except humility. Its wonderful. Return to the literal common law, survival....i don't know. I like to think so anyway. Viva Anarchy! mucho gracias for the post.

        ~B~
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    Sun, December 24, 2006 - 2:11 AM
    Putting your hope in a dubious apocalyptic prophecy is a bit... silly.
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      Mon, January 1, 2007 - 7:01 AM
      i find your post dubious, grim.

      what'll happen'll happen.
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        Mon, January 1, 2007 - 9:07 AM
        And barring extreme coincidence, that'll be nothing.
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          Mon, January 1, 2007 - 12:48 PM
          it is entirely your choice to be a nihilist
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            Mon, January 1, 2007 - 11:22 PM
            I don't think an end of the world is coming (on this date) and that makes me a nihilist?!?!? Hahahahahha.
            • Re: 2012: An Anarchist's Dream

              Tue, January 2, 2007 - 6:06 AM
              i have no way of knowing what or what wont happen on 2012. your faith however has almost a religious quality to it.
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                Tue, January 2, 2007 - 6:29 AM
                *eyeroll*
                Something may or may not, just as something may or may not...

                now...

                or...

                now...

                or...

                now...

                Nope.

                At any given specific moment, the odds are against something apocalyptic happening. Given how religious and mystical prophecies of the end of the world thus far have a 100% failure rate this is not faith, but belief based upon evidence. A baseless predction is only going to produce a positive result through coincidence.
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                  Tue, January 2, 2007 - 7:22 AM
                  <quote>A baseless predction is only going to produce a positive result through coincidence. </quote>

                  What are you basing this on?
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                    Re: 2012: An Anarchist's Dream

                    Tue, January 2, 2007 - 10:04 AM
                    Endless prior examples of false apocalypses (apocalyi?) from any number of mystical sources and predictions, the lack of specfics, the fact that the date is argued over even by believers working to their own personal choice of interpretation and the lack of any supporting evidence or indicators.

                    Doubtless, as per usual, once 2013 rolls around we'll get one of the standard claims.

                    1. It did happen, this is a new age, it was a _spiritual_ change.
                    2. Oops, we calculated wrong, it's actually 2022.
                    3. <significant event of the year> was what was actually being predicted.

                    By all means tap into this vein of thought if you think it's helpful, but try not to get caught up in the nonsense by 'staring into the abyss' too long. I think there's enough REAL and GENUINE dangers and shitty things going on the world that can be used, rather than relying on hokum.
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                      Fri, January 5, 2007 - 7:55 AM
                      There are also plenty examples of actual apocalypses. Consider the flood myth that EVERY ancient culture has. Could it be that all these ancient myths are all bullshit, or are they a retelling of the last ice age, which homo sapiens miraculously survived by the skin of our teeth? I happen to think humans are a more intelligent race than the former situation implies. Read Fingerprints of the Gods by Graham Hancock for info on the latter.

                      Now look at the most recent data concerning global warming. You still think there's no reason for concern? The largest volcano in the world - Yellowstone - is around 40,000 - 80,000 years overdue to blow. The rain forest, the world's largest generator of oxygen, is being depleted about an acre a minute. The unprecendented global population explosion, AIDS, holes in the ozone, capitalism....it goes on and on.

                      Humanity is on the verge of self-destruction and collapse. To not see the signs is paramount to blindness and denial. Something big is on the horizon - MAKE WAY FOR ANARCHY!!


                      Tigress

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                        Fri, January 5, 2007 - 10:30 AM
                        i am curious , actually eagerly awaiting education . on what Magik / Tarot / Numerology/ et al have to do with anarchism ?
                        still it is always pleasure to meet new people / ideas .
                        welcome new agie anarchist .
                        come to think of it may not be a bad idea to get mellow and wait for this apocalypse . after all it is only 6 years wait . and a mellow wait to boot . :)
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                  Fri, January 5, 2007 - 11:43 PM
                  my point is, grim -

                  you needn't believe what i believe - you believe whatever you want to believe. by the same token, i don't have to believe what you believe - i'll believe whatever i want to believe. i'm okay with that. if you're okay with that too, then it's anarchy. got me?
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                    Re: 2012: An Anarchist's Dream

                    Sat, January 6, 2007 - 3:16 AM
                    There's a point where self destructive beliefs impinge on others.
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                      Sat, January 6, 2007 - 11:47 PM
                      Grim, I will agree with you that the end of the Mayan calendar is unlikely to prove particularly significant. But why do you think contrary beliefs are "self destructive?"
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                        Sun, January 7, 2007 - 2:34 AM
                        The problem is Faith.
                        Not just religious or spiritual faith but political faith as well.
                        Whenever anyone is so wedded to an idea, concept or religion that they are unable to process information rationally any longer.

                        Religious examples are easy, but you find it in politics and economics as well. Stalin turned 'communism' into a dictatorship and personality cult, a faith of its own. Currently many in the western world have a faith in the supremacy and capabilities of laissez-faire capitalism. Many anarchists seem to have faith that playing the bongos at burningman will somehow change the world or that a few workshops on dumpster diving will cause an eventual paradigm shift in the culture.

                        Being that disconnected from reality is dangerous, to oneself, to whatever causes one believes in and to others around oneself.

                        Specifically taking apocalyptic beliefs. Those who truly believe them have, in the past, sold up their homes, lost contact with nonbelieving portions of their family, gone on sprees of various kinds or been so _disappointed_ when the end of the world hasn't come that they have killed themselves.

                        25% of Americans think that Jesus Christ's second coming could very well happen this year, 2007. If you think the end is coming you don't have to worry about global warming, wars in iraq or iran (that may just hasten things) and you don't have to think long term.

                        This... hokum, is destructive, mind rotting, conciousness constricting.
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                          Sun, January 7, 2007 - 10:14 PM
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                            Sun, January 7, 2007 - 10:54 PM
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                              Mon, January 8, 2007 - 9:17 AM
                              From the Nizkor project: "The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an 'argument.'"

                              From the Wikipedia article: "In formal logic, reductio ad absurdum is used when a formal contradiction can be derived from a premise, allowing one to conclude that the premise is false. If a contradiction is derived from a set of premises, this shows that at least one of the premises is false, but other means must be used to determine which one."

                              You two are talking about two different but related concepts. While I might agree that the end of the Mayan calendar is unlikely to predict the end of civilization as we know it, and I might even agree that a claim that it does is absurd, I would not say this amounts to reductio ad absurdum. Even if the claim is absurd, no contradiction has been shown.

                              Instead, the argument relies on a premise that the claim is ridiculous, and therefore the Appeal to Ridicule more accurately describes the argument.

                              By the way, as a source on issues of logic, the Nizkor Project is probably a bit more reliable, though I see nothing wrong with the Wikipedia article's explanation in this case (other than that it has been flagged for needing to cite sources). Stanford University also has an on line library of philosophy that is quite useful.
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                          Mon, January 8, 2007 - 9:33 AM
                          Grim, you are right that blind faith can be hazardous. You correctly criticize some extreme examples of faith. (Pass the applesauce, please! And how about more of that Kool-aid?) And this particular prophecy may indeed be another example.

                          But the faith you express in rationality is also a faith. You appear to be relying on a view that all phenomenon must be rationally explainable. Your argument seemingly amounts to a claim that anything not rationally explainable is either false or merely a coincidence, and anyone who accepts any irrational explanation is therefore dangerously deluded and to be classed with cult-worshippers, capitalists, and followers of Stalin.

                          That's a little over the top. And from a strictly rational viewpoint, it is a gross over-generalization.
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                            Mon, January 8, 2007 - 10:51 PM
                            "But the faith you express in rationality is also a faith. You appear to be relying on a view that all phenomenon must be rationally explainable. Your argument seemingly amounts to a claim that anything not rationally explainable is either false or merely a coincidence, and anyone who accepts any irrational explanation is therefore dangerously deluded and to be classed with cult-worshippers, capitalists, and followers of Stalin."

                            Not at all.
                            Unlike religious/spiritual positions rationalism and logic actually has a track record of success and applicability while irrationality does not. This does not preclude the possibility of something new being found or proven (such as the new dark-matter scaffold revealed yesterday) but these things are not arrived at by blind guesses.

                            This then, isn't a faith. A faith is a belief without evidence, a belief WITH evidence is not a faith.

                            If you want to ride on the coattails of some sort of new-age apocalyptic idea then by all means, make use of what's there is necessary. Just don't swallow the Kool Aid yourself and bare in mind that its the nonsense spiritual viewpoint that's likely to be the dominant one in any such effort.
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                              Tue, January 9, 2007 - 9:00 AM
                              But it is a leap of faith to assume that rationality explains or even can explain *all* that occurs in this universe. Certainly no scientists I know of would dare to make this claim. As a graduate student in communication (as a social science), very much into empirical evidence, often complaining that the "real" world prefers its own delusions to the reality we research, I would not dare to make this claim. Yet that is a leap of faith you seem to be making.

                              And I am still troubled that I don't see any middle ground in your writing between rationality and "some sort of new-age apocalyptic idea." This suggests a false dichotomy, yet another logical fallacy.
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                              Sat, September 29, 2007 - 8:50 AM
                              "rationalism and logic actually has a track record of success "

                              ha! which is what? Western civilization - ? Would you consider that manifestation of human society a riviting success? how do you measure success?

                              Granted, I love my rational mind.. and this bag of cells(me) doesnt get too far down any road with out the full consent and approval of the 'rational/analytical mind-committee' which presides over my activities.

                              And yet that same rational mind, rationally knows- as David does elloquently paint- that its ability to predict, explain, and calculate is limited by its data input so far.. given that my experience is less than 27 years as a finite physical entity in the span of infinite space and time .. that data input has no chance of even perceiving a tenth of a percent of all possible phenomena.

                              This leaves quite a deal outside the realm of my 'rational' reach. Therefore it would be a severe limitation on my consciousness (as you put it) to lot leave the window open for the irrational to say 'hi'. Rationally, if I want to be evolving to my highest potential as a being - my rational mind will have to pursue intimacy with the phenomena it now only grasps as irrational bullshit.

                              jesus loves you,
                              z
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      Wed, September 26, 2007 - 2:20 AM
      I'm with grim on this one, we need real action, not cultural appropriation of other people's myths.

      if the mayans thought the world "as we know it" was going to end in 2012 they were obviously wrong, the world as they knew it ended a long-ass time ago.

      and what does any of this new-age shit have to do with anarchism anyway?
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